How long did it take Bill W. to take the 12 Steps?

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Jim W
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Postby Jim W » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:00 am

Sorry for the long delay. I've been working a lot, too much in fact.

Anyway, I hope I can clarify what I meant by spiritual recovery.

In the second forward, Bill mentions that although he couldn't agree with all the Oxford Group's tenets, he saw the need for inventory, confession, restitution, belief in and dependance on God, and service to others. Basically, our A.A. program.

In Akron, the early members adhered pretty rigoursly to these practices, hence the much higher recovery rate. In fact, in Dr. Bob and The Good Old-Timers, it is mentioned that meetings were important, but not vital. The ones who got drunk were the ones who neglected their spiritual life.

Meanwhile, in NYC, it was different. The early A.A.'s there did not adhere too much to Oxford Group practices. It was much more fellowship based. And Bill, in his efforts to keep everyone happy, let members like Jim B. and Hank P. sway him away from the full on approach. And the recovery rate was much lower. That was why Bill wrote that letter to Gracie Snyder.

These days, the felloowship based, go to a lot meetings approach is the prevaleant one. Read a little piece called "Gresham's Law and Alcoholics Anonymous." It spells it out.
Jim




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Postby Susan » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:37 am

I sort of understand this. There are plenty of people out here that do not pray, change there conduct nothing. They just don't drink and go there merry way. Don't say anything about going to church either.

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Postby Tim » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:49 pm

Jim W wrote:Sorry for the long delay. I've been working a lot, too much in fact.

Anyway, I hope I can clarify what I meant by spiritual recovery.

In the second forward, Bill mentions that although he couldn't agree with all the Oxford Group's tenets, he saw the need for inventory, confession, restitution, belief in and dependance on God, and service to others. Basically, our A.A. program.

In Akron, the early members adhered pretty rigoursly to these practices, hence the much higher recovery rate. In fact, in Dr. Bob and The Good Old-Timers, it is mentioned that meetings were important, but not vital. The ones who got drunk were the ones who neglected their spiritual life.

Meanwhile, in NYC, it was different. The early A.A.'s there did not adhere too much to Oxford Group practices. It was much more fellowship based. And Bill, in his efforts to keep everyone happy, let members like Jim B. and Hank P. sway him away from the full on approach. And the recovery rate was much lower. That was why Bill wrote that letter to Gracie Snyder.

These days, the felloowship based, go to a lot meetings approach is the prevaleant one. Read a little piece called "Gresham's Law and Alcoholics Anonymous." It spells it out.
Jim



Jim--Thanks for posting this. 'Greshams Law and Alcoholics Anonymous' is an interesting and thought-provking article. I'd have to put myself in the 'medium' category, as they are described. My own recovery has, however, a strong spiritual foundation. Meetings are important, but I don't count on them to keep me sober.

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Gresham's Law and Alcoholics Anonymous

Postby Dallas » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:17 pm

The forum Moderators just approved this link, to Barefoot Bill's website, where he has the info posted for Greshams's Law... as mentioned in the posts above:

www.barefootsworld.net/aagreshamslaw.html

Our guidelines for the www.Step12.com forum is, that we do not post links to other sites, in forum messages... that we can send them in PM's... that's why I got the Moderators permission before posting the above link. :wink:

Dallas B.





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