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On the basis of self-knowledge, can I stay sober?

Postby Dallas » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:44 pm

[quote="Big Book"] Quote from the chapter More about alcoholism, in the book, Alcoholics Anonymous, starting on page 37:

"In some circumstances we have gone out deliberately to
get drunk, feeling ourselves justified by nervousness, anger,
worry, depression, jealousy or the like. But even in
this type of beginning we are obliged to admit that our
justification for a spree was insanely insufficient in the
light of what always happened. We now see that when we
began to drink deliberately, instead of casually, there was
little serious or effective thought during the period of premeditation
of what the terrific consequences might be.

Our behavior is as absurd and incomprehensible with
respect to the first drink as that of an individual with a
passion, say, for jay-walking. He gets a thrill out of
skipping in front of fast-moving vehicles. He enjoys
himself for a few years in spite of friendly warnings.
Up to this point you would label him as a foolish

( page 38 )

chap having queer ideas of fun. Luck then deserts him
and he is slightly injured several times in succession. You
would expect him, if he were normal, to cut it out. Presently
he is hit again and this time has a fractured skull.
Within a week after leaving the hospital a fast-moving
trolley car breaks his arm. He tells you he has decided to
stop jay-walking for good, but in a few weeks he breaks
both legs.

On through the years this conduct continues, accompanied
by his continual promises to be careful or to keep
off the streets altogether. Finally, he can no longer work,
his wife gets a divorce and he is held up to ridicule. He
tries every known means to get the jay-walking idea out
of his head. He shuts himself up in an asylum, hoping to
mend his ways. But the day he comes out he races in
front of a fire engine, which breaks his back. Such a man
would be crazy, wouldn’t he?

You may think our illustration is too ridiculous. But is
it? We, who have been through the wringer, have to
admit if we substituted alcoholism for jay-walking, the
illustration would fit us exactly. However intelligent we
may have been in other respects, where alcohol has been
involved, we have been strangely insane. It’s strong language—
but isn’t it true?

Some of you are thinking: “Yes, what you tell us is
true, but it doesn’t fully apply. We admit we have
some of these symptoms, but we have not gone to the
extremes you fellows did, nor are we likely to, for we
understand ourselves so well after what you have told
us that such things cannot happen again. We have not
lost everything in life through drinking and we

( page 39 )

certainly do not intend to. Thanks for the information.â€
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Postby Susan68 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:22 am

Duly noted you big meanie. . . .
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Postby tim-one » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:25 am

Dammit, Dallas. You're so HARSH! :? :wink:

You talkin' to me? Are YOU talkin' to ME?? Ok. Just makin' sure. :wink:

It's that simple, ain't it.

Self-knowledge and self-will got me here. Self-awareness through turning my will in HP's direction sticking to the BB map DAILY will keep me here.

Lots of wagon-wheel ruts in that road. I think I'll stay in this rut. HYAH! GIDDYUP!

"Thank you, HP, for writing the Big Book. Thanks for using Bill W. et al when they were paying attention. Nice move, HP !"

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Postby DiggerinVA » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:01 pm

More than I could read right now. But My answer was NO I am not capable of stopping with self knowledge. Personally I have a hard time with someone who is in a meeting that at 58 days and says they are still on step one. They are stronger than I.
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Postby DiggerinVA » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:48 pm

Ok I read it. Very good. Yes I still could not stay sober by myself and self knowledge. I had to read the beginning of a book (24 pages) and pray to stop.

People are so afraid of the steps and around here. They tell sponsee's that they are not ready for the steps. Such simple work. Just Do IT!!!
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Postby GeoffS » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:18 pm

How can anyone NOT be ready for the steps?

If you are an alcoholic of the type in the big book and you realise that you are and that you need hepl then you are ready for the steps!!!!

Some of these mythical AA rules really worry me.
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Postby DiggerinVA » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:58 pm

GeoffS wrote:How can anyone NOT be ready for the steps?

If you are an alcoholic of the type in the big book and you realise that you are and that you need hepl then you are ready for the steps!!!!

Some of these mythical AA rules really worry me.


Ditto
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Postby Dallas » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:02 pm

I agree... "If you want what we have"...(sobriety) Yes/No?
And, you are willing to do the work to have it... (sobriety) Yes/No?

If you answered "Yes" to both questions... THEN
"You are ready to take certain steps!"... pg 58 "How to work it!" :wink:

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Postby tim-one » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:30 am

Ain't that sumthin!?

I see a lot of that "not ready for step 1". Of course that's nobody's call but the that one person. Like me, nobody could decide I am an alcoholic but me. Everyone KNEW IT. But I couldn't do step one till I convinced myself.

Well, I certainly didn't have that roblem. I knew it for years while I kept drinking. I admitted and eccepted it long ago.

But I largely hang out at a rehab facility and I see all kinds of beginners like these:

*In a chair by court order.
*In a chair by family intervention
*Took a chair to find out if the suspicion was true.
*Took a chair knowing, but not committing
*Took a chair committing with reservation
*Grabbed a chair committed
*Owned a chair desperately committed

Just because someone is in a chair doesn't mean they are thoroughly convinced. Shoot ... many claim drug abuse but not alcohol and vice versa. Ever seen a professing alcoholic smoke dope? Just not the same, is it?

Some, once admitting alsoholism, find out how "easy" it was to stop drinking once they came in. :roll: Sometimes a couple of weeks is all it takes to forget what drove them in. SO easy, suddenly they "think" they might not be THAT ALCOHOLIC. Maybe it's just a controllable drinking problem after all. Feel better? Maybe I can control it now.

So, yes, got NO clue why, it sometimes takes folks a long time to actually get through step 1 fo a slew of reasons.

Not that I needed it personally, I was COMPLETELY convinced and was IN step 1 for drinking years. But I DID step 1 for a month over and over with all kinds of soul searching and re-iteration, not to convince myself, but to POUND OUT the creepy idea that I knew would pop into my head someday the farther I got from hell that maybe I can do this thing without all this effort.

From the chair I own, no hurry. Gotta get it. If it takes going out again for more evidence ... We'll be here for you when you're convinced.

I'm livin' proof that self-knowledge WILL NOT keep me sober.

It's still true that "a little AA knowledge will ruin a perfectly good drunk".

"Nuthin like a little experience to ruin a good theory."

Love y'all,
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Postby tim-one » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:37 am

PS: What's the hurry?

If Step 1 isn't thoroughly owned by a prospect, he/she will become one of the statistics that "prove" "I did AA and it didn't work for me".

Why not relax and let them get it real before taking the next step, every next step?

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