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7th Tradition

Postby Tina L. » Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:49 pm

Hi Dallas, thank you for all of your help and for all that you do.

The 7th tradition is every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting. I have emailed you this question a bunch of times and you always change the subject and never give me an answer. I have seen the reports of how many alcoholics the website helps each month. I know that it has got to be costing you a lot of money and time to keep up the website. You do not sell anything. There is no advertising which could be bringing in money to you to cover the cost. You wont even discuss personal contributions so that someone can donate. It seems like you won’t discuss accepting personal contributions to help the website financially because you avoid the question every time I ask you. Are you going against the “spirit of the traditionsâ€
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Postby recoveredbygrace » Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:57 pm

Hi Tina
I belong to another online AA recovery message board where we,the regular members can contribute to pay the bills.
things usually work out for the best,and now the board is coming up on 5 yrs old if my memory serves correctly.
We usually have a "community basket" to keep the leftovers in and it is displayed on the site 24/7.

if we need a few bucks,someone donates a couple of dollars.

that way it gives everyone a chance to help out and keep the site going finicially without putting the burden on the original founder.
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The work on this web site

Postby 918gma » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:59 pm

This Webb site fits better under the tradition of service. Remember Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions. That covers a large scope. Service also comes in many shapes and sizes. The spirit of service is also anonymous if we want it to bring us closer to our higher power. This program has grown over the years by people doing what they can where they can. Some people can do more than others but that does not make what others do less important. That's where Anonymity fits into service. Nothing meant but we don't wave what we put into the basket for every one to see, nor do we make comment when some one pass the basket with out putting any thing in. Who made this pot of coffee, and who's turn is it next. We do what needs to be done to keep us all going. That's both the beauty and the Spirituality of this program.
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Postby ccs » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:48 pm

On the 7th Tradition
“Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions."
Editorial by Bill W.
A.A. Grapevine, June, 1948
"The A.A. Groups themselves ought to be fully supported by the voluntary contribution of their own members. We think that each group should soon achieve its ideal: that any public solicitation of funds using the name of Alcoholics Anonymous is highly dangerous, whether by groups, clubs, hospitals or other outside agencies; that acceptance of large gifts from any source, or of contributions carrying any obligation whatever, is unwise. Then too, we view with much concern those A.A. treasuries which continue, beyond prudent reserves, to accumulate funds for no stated A.A. purpose. Experience has often warned us that nothing can so surely destroy our spiritual heritage as futile disputes over property, money, and authority."

Our growth continuing, the combined income of Alcoholics Anonymous members will soon reach the astounding total of $250,000,000, a quarter of billion dollars yearly. This is the direct result of A.A. membership. Sober we now have it, drunk we would not.

By contrast, our overall A.A. expenses are trifling.

For instance, the A.A. General Office now costs us $1.50 per member a year. As a fact, the New York office asks the groups for this sum twice a year because not all of them contribute. Even so, the sum per member is exceedingly small. If an A.A. happens to live in a large metropolitan center where an intergroup office is absolutely essential to handle heavy inquiries and hospital arrangements he contributes (or probably should contribute) about $5.00 annually. To pay the rent of his own group meeting place, and maybe coffee and doughnuts, he might drop $25.00 a year in the hat. Or, if he belongs to a club it could be $50.00. In case he takes The A.A. Grapevine he squanders an extra $2.50!

So, the A.A. member who really meets his group responsibilities finds himself liable for about $5.00 a month on the average. Yet his own personal income may be anywhere between $200. and $2,000. a month -- the direct result of not drinking.

"But", some will contend, "our friends want to give us money to furnish that new club house. We are a new small group. Most of us are still pretty broke. What then"?

I am sure that myriads of the A.A. voices would now answer the new group saying, "Yes, we know just how you feel. We once solicited money ourselves. We even solicited publicly. We thought we could do a lot of good with other peoples' money. But we found that kind of money too hot to handle. It aroused unbelievable controversy. It simply wasn't worth it. Besides, it set a precedent which has tempted many people to use the valuable name of Alcoholics Anonymous for other than A.A. purposes. While there may be little harm in a small friendly loan which your group really means to repay, we really beg you to think hard before you ask the most willing friend to make a large donation. You can, and you soon will, pay your own way. For each of you these overhead expenses will never amount to more than the price of one bottle of good whiskey a month. You will be everlastingly thankful if you pay this small obligation yourselves.

When reflecting on these things, why should not each of us tell himself, "Yes, we A.A.s were once a burden on everybody. We were 'takers.' Now that we are sober, and by the Grace of God have become responsible citizens of the world, why shouldn't we now about face and become 'thankful givers'! Yes, it is high time we did!".

Bill W.

The AA Grapevine, June, 1948
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Re: 7th Tradition

Postby Toast » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:02 am

Hi,

Attended a Tradition 7 discussion meeting last night. Already had my mind made up that I wouldn’t enjoy it but as usual I don’t know what’s good for me and as always happens I learned lots.

There is a story in Tradition 7 in the 12x 12 where Bob tells how he once gave a drunk 5 dollars at a meeting, although he suspected he’d never see this particular drunk again, this left him with only 50 cents to put in the pot. Later he realised giving money to the drunk was to boost his ego and the 5 dollars would have helped more alcoholics if he’d put it in the pot.

Anyway’s this made me think of similar instances. I’ve never gave anyone money in AA but I have put credit on a newcomers cell phone so I could keep in contact with them. I’ve also bought them smokes and for some guys in the homeless hostel I’ve bought the occasional razor, shaving cream and other personal hygiene products. But none of these guys have ever managed to stay sober? Guess I inadvertently enabled them to drink, by me taking care of their financial responsibilities they’ve had spare cash to go buy more booze.

On the other hand some determined new guys have steadfastly refused to take anything from me except my phone number. But these guys are the one’s who have managed stayed sober through thick and thin and are still sober today, 5 years later.

Enjoying Life

John
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