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Why is religion/church not enough?




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Postby Larry H. » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:01 pm

Most all of my active drinking alcoholism was characterized by me believing that I was a bad person. In my mind I must have been because my alcoholic brain told me that a good person would not be doing what I was doing. The church reinforced this by telling me to turn away from my sin and repent. I was told repeatedly that if only I loved God and Jesus that I would change. Try as hard as I could, nothing changed.

When I arrived at AA I was told I was not a bad person, I was only a sick person that sometimes did some bad things. AA accepted me, the church condemmed me.

Acceptance and understanding was vital to my entry on the path to recovery, sanity through the 12 steps.

After a period in AA I became very active in my church, helping where I could and even teaching Sunday School to pre-teens. I found the church
simply does not as a general rule understand alcoholics and alcoholism.
They are trying to fix a problem they do not understand. Does that make them bad? No they are just uninformed.

Of course some church leaders are alcoholics, active in AA. They understand but the majority do not.

That is my 2 cents as to why I believe the church is not successful when treating alcoholics.

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Postby Toast » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:02 pm

Good topic, why does AA work for us when religion dont?

Went to an English speaking AA meeting in Rome once, couldn't get moving for retired Priests?

All great guys! :lol:
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Postby Then, and only then » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:24 pm

:roll:
I dunno. I remember 2 prayers on my knees, crying out loud, holding my hands together just like Sunday school kid and screaming, "Please help me. Change me so I will not drink again.". After all that crying, the silence settled. Then, birds were still chirping, cars were driving by, nothing. All that crying and pain for nothing. Both occasions, I got up, then finished the bottle.

I started going to the church since 2003 thinking Jesus will help me stop. I attended even morning prayer services at 5:30, sometimes drunk. I could not stop until I set my foot in the rooms. What worked? Jesus or a group of drunks? Somehow, I have never questioned. It did not matter. I am sober.

God is. Why Jesus is not a group of drunks. He did me in his time, with His way. All I did was to walk into the rooms, and was willing as the dying can be. I was dying. My liver decided not to.

Can I be willing as the dying can be at the church? Rigorously honest at church? We think not. I want to look holy, if not wholesome at church. I am thinking that is why church did not work.

I still go to Sunday services. I can relate and identify with 2,000 years old disciples better than most of people at church. There is a program, but no fellowship. So it does not work for me.

The rooms are my church. I feel much more comforted by dirty rooms by railroad tracks than the white linen church with nice and clean people. Because I am an alcoholic, and there is nothing, nothing holy about me.
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Postby djmnyc » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:31 pm

Several years ago, I had a conversion experience, went to church and drank for some time, then went to AA, got sober, and am still very involved in the church (although it's a different one).

I think it's a simple matter of focus. If we spend a lot of time around sober alcoholics, talking about alcohol, working on problems that relate to alcoholism, we're more apt to stay sober. Then there's the issue of accountability. Honestly, the fact that I have several commitments in AA as well as many sober friends keeps me from going out. Take all that accountability away, and who knows what would happen?

I have a friend in GA (Gambler's Anonymous), and according to her many people come to GA after years of sobriety in AA. GA uses the same model as AA, the same 12 steps. But those steps, when applied in AA, do not always help with compulsive gambling. Gamblers need to be around other gamblers, to talk about gambling, and to get help that is specific to their problem. Same with alcoholics. Church is not specific to us. We need specialists not a general practitioner.
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Postby Pebbles » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:19 am

Hello-I was raised Catholic, but going to church never kept me sober. After turning 18 and moving out of the house on my own, I quit going to church. I had my last drink in Nov. 2007 and was in a dry drunk until Dec. 31 2007, when I hit my bottom and asked God for help. When I asked God for help, I heard the words "Go to AA" in my head, and haven't looked back since. My life has really improved since that night.....because I started living in the solution. Right now, I am getting an "urge" to go back to church again. I keep thinking of all the people who are quietly suffering....people who are going to church, and still suffering because they don't know about the solution.
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Postby Dallas » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:59 am

I know of an AA in Texas, that started a meeting in the basement of a church. The pastor of the church was so impressed with what was happening in the lives to the AA's that went to that meeting -- that he asked the guy that started the meeting -- if he could bring that into his church.

What happened was: (without going into a long story) The AA became a member of the church and began helping others in the church. Then, he got some training and is became (or was then) a pastor of a church! :wink:

I would definitely be in a church if that's where I believed that God wanted me to be. All I know for now is: God wants me in AA. I asked him more than once, "God, do you want me to be in church and AA?" (because I know many AA's that also go to church)..... but for me God didn't give me that green light. Maybe he thinks I'll mess them up and cause them problems if I go there. :lol:
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Postby Camel » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:00 pm

Dallas wrote:I know of an AA in Texas, that started a meeting in the basement of a church. The pastor of the church was so impressed with what was happening in the lives to the AA's that went to that meeting -- that he asked the guy that started the meeting -- if he could bring that into his church.

What happened was: (without going into a long story) The AA became a member of the church and began helping others in the church. Then, he got some training and is became (or was then) a pastor of a church! :wink:

I would definitely be in a church if that's where I believed that God wanted me to be. All I know for now is: God wants me in AA. I asked him more than once, "God, do you want me to be in church and AA?" (because I know many AA's that also go to church)..... but for me God didn't give me that green light. Maybe he thinks I'll mess them up and cause them problems if I go there. :lol:


I tend to doubt that, Dallas. You could probably help them. Our literature tells us if we don't argue with them, (Church People), we could possibly find new avenues of usefulness and pleasure, and that we could bring help to many a Preacher. It also tells us this is not obligatory, just a helpful suggestion. Let your conscience be your guide. Like most drunks I know, I was raised in a Christian environment. Obiviously got away from it for years, but attend semi-regularly now. I remember times past of sitting in the Methodist Church I was brought up in, when I first got sober, and still attend, and thinking, "These people ain't got a clue about what God can do. They only read about hell. I've been there." Today I think differently. Who am I to judge them? Today I see these people in a totally new light. After all, none of them got themselves locked up in a blackout! It's hard to look down on people when you've been in the gutter, if you know what I mean!

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Postby Dallas » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:54 pm

God's will for me -- is for me -- to not be in church. I know that for a certainty. :lol: And, I know that Ray, pastors a church, and I believe him in what he tells that it happened. That's all that I know, other than I know I'm an alcoholic, I know I'm sober, and I know that my name is Dallas. :lol:

I have no problems with churches, church people, or any religions -- I'm all for them and think they're a good idea, and most of them do a lot of good in the world -- other than one's that want to cut peoples heads off. I'm not for those types. :lol:
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Postby Toast » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:41 pm

Got hooked on religion again after my mom died but then i realised it was just 'emotionalism'. I wanted to sit in the seat she sat on for 40 odds years attending the same church. Guess i just missed her.

It done nothing for me as a person and if anything it put me back the way. I used to go to that church when i was a guilt ridden kid and when i went back that second time i still came out feeling like a guilty kid?

It was weird, after all those years the place could still do that to me? :?

Much happier now just doing my AA, thats where i belong :lol:
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