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A Threat From Within?




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A Threat From Within?

Postby Toast » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:27 am

Hi, my friend sent me this recovery blog, food for thought.


Where Have all the Old School 12 Step Treatment Centers Gone?

When I first sought treatment for my drinking there were any number of treatment centers that touted themselves as 12 Step Oriented. This was before the Managed Care boom diminished a centers ability to gain reimbursements with out meeting new regulations. Regulations largely ineffective in the treatment of alcoholism or addictions.

These centers were all about getting you 12 step fellowship contacts and encouraging you to become active within those fellowships.

At the center I went to you were told – no membership and participation in 12 step – no permanent sobriety. This proved more true then I believed at the time. Because the counselors were mostly from these fellowships they understood what inattention to consistent work with recovery principles would result in.

These Old School counselors have been mostly replaced by a licensed and trained, yet sorely underpaid, professional class. An any other medical treatment modality this would be a good thing – who would want a heart specialist who’s qualifications were a successful heart surgery alone? However addiction is an unorthodox illness. It presents all over the board. You can be diagnosed with most, if not all, psychological disorders while suffering from it. On the outside it looks like the best forms of treatment are the ones designed to care for these symptoms.

In actual fact the largest group of people in recovery or having recovered from addictions can be found in and around the 12 step fellowships. This is due to many factors, the one of most important is the combined effort that results promoting and encouraging one to stay consistent with actions and attitudes that result in those recovery’s. Real recovery comes from spiritual processes and not psychological practices. Ask those who have succeeded in long term recovery what the reasons are.

There seems like there has been a push to eliminate the Old School counselors, through heaver licensing and other forms of certifications that tend to exclude these very seasoned, wizened experienced people for low paid right out of school folks or hobby job people who have some clinical training but not a clue how to deal with the real alcoholic or addict. This works to help with reimbursements but there is now way that positive outcomes – the type measuring length of sobriety – are improved.

Addiction is under a very subtle attack by those who portray themselves to be our best advocates.
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Postby Toast » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:48 am

Another one that may cause a bit of thought...

The cliche "people, places and things" comes from the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous, specifically page 15 of the Sixth Edition. It's not found in the AA literature, and it is contradictory to the AA message. The NA Basic Text converts the three pertinent ideas of the Big Book to "three disturbing realizations." The third "disturbing realization" is , "we can no longer blame people, places and things for our addiction."

The treatment industry has gotten hold of the NA language and converted it to a claim that "we are [supposedly] powerless over people, places and things" or even worse, that "we should avoid people, places and things."

The "people places things" cliche is absent from the basic literature of AA; more importantly, the cliche is contradictory to the AA message. Page 102 of the Big Book assures us, "...any scheme...which proposes to shield the sick man from temptation is doomed...he usually winds up with a bigger explosion..." The Big Book also indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the AA basic text promises, "We have recovered, and been given the power to help others."

Nothing in the basic literature of AA says we're powerless. The First Step doesn't say we're powerless. It's in the past tense, The First Step says that we WERE powerless, that we USED TO BE powerless [before taking all 12 Steps]. The Big Book further indicates that we don't stay powerless over people. Page 132 of the Big Book promises, "we have recovered and been the power to help others." To claim that "we stay powerless" , or that "we'll always be powerless" is the exact opposite of the AA message.
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Postby Dallas » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:17 am

The first step to me, means: I am an alcoholic. I will always be an alcoholic. I have alcohol-ism. Regardless of how many Steps I take or how meetings that I make -- ON MY OWN -- I can not manage to stay sober.

And, God, alone -- is not enough for me. I need the tools (the 12 Steps continually applied to me and my life) and I need fellowship with other alcoholics -- and specifically, trying to help other alcoholics.

Even though "I admitted that I am alcoholic" (past-tense and present tense) I have to practice the First Step daily.

I continue to come back to see what happens to those who have "recovered" and thought they were cured.
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Postby cue » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:59 pm

I'm glad you brought this up Toast.
I'm working with a guy at the moment on the first step. He is stuck at the powerless concept. He concedes that he WAS powerless over alcohol but since he came to AA he has no desire to drink and therefore he cannot accept that he is STILL powerless over alcohol. He does not want to drink and because of this he is not ready to admit that alcohol has him beat.
I see it as a reservation, one that needs to be looked at with the knowledge from the doctors opinion and the person's past experience.
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Postby Dallas » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:08 pm

Unfortunately, sometimes they just haven't had enough to drink. We try to help them raise their bottom -- but if they don't see their condition, only through their own experimentation will they convince themselves that what we have to say is worth their investigation.
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Postby christowers » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:12 pm

Thinking about maintanance thinking when I had a new car what did I do? put the keys in turned the ignition and drove. Why did i never read the manual. I am going to start doing this quickly. Thankyou for your posting. :)
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Postby Toast » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:26 pm

Hi christowers, nice to have you on board.

Know well what you mean about manuals and instructions. When building self-assembly furniture, wardrobes etc, i make it a rule never to read the instructions until it falls down! :shock:

After all, isn't that what most alcoholics do? 8)

Love,light,laughter! :lol: :lol:
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Postby fotofinish » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:53 pm

If I understand you, you are referring to self empowerment, not power over alcohol? Anyways this outside threat has been growing for many years. I attending meetings for 7 years and never did a 12 step call despite putting my name on a list to be called for the next one. By the time most alcoholics appear at their first meeting they have a head full of knowledge from counselling and recovery centers. Rarely do you see a raw alky come in from the street shaking and reeking, desperate for any help they can find.
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Postby Toast » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:54 pm

This may not be the place for this biblical quote but for me this saying from St Timothy sums up what God and AA can do for your life:

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline."

Love,light,life :lol:
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