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Postby Dallas » Tue May 02, 2006 9:00 am

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Step Eleven: Prayer & Meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understand Him.

The guidelines for posting in this forum... please try to keep the prayers and messages posted here... centered around sobriety and A.A.

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I Listened

Postby Rusty Zipper » Tue May 02, 2006 8:59 pm

as i talked to God last night, i listened. God said, you know Patrick, i talk through other people you know? God said Patrick, you have gained some more insite, a bit more faith, a teeny bit more wisdom, why do you not share it with someone i put in your life that talks to me also. That takes what i offer to them, and passes it on to you Patrick.... that someone i have given eternalhope to, and is giving you some more hope also.... i look at today and have listened. ... time is a strange thing, in the years of the planet earth. birth and death come and go.... the earth has been here a long, long time, we as humans, take up a fraction of that time. God has given us that time to live, and God gives us the time to die.... some die as newborns, some die as children, some die as your Mirical did, at the age of 47, some live to be 103, as your dear Granny did.... your Granny had a thing i have given to her, and she accepted, a thing called Faith... i have given your Granny another thing, and have given it to all i have created... a thing called a soul... what the people i have created do with their lives is one thing, but the given... i have given them all a soul... some people are good, some are bad, and why yes, some are indiferent... some of the people i have created have troubled souls here on earth... when, and if they take the time to repair the troubles.... their souls are at one with me... when, and if they cant... their lifes can, and will cause cao's... i have also given my creations a thing called choices... the troubled soul can be fixed on your earth... it can be fixed with a thing i have given you called faith... so so hard to believe with a troubled soul... i have given the troubled soul a easy fix for that... a pill, a drink, and better yet a thing called Too... too much shoping, too much sex, too much self absorption, just too much!... starting to get my message Patrick.. i think you are... when the troulbled soul looses that last bit of faith... its time for me to step in, and say... i will take you to a place where you will be at peace... your soul will come alive again, you will be among many, many other souls, just like your self... so Patrick, just keep the faith, stay sober and your soul will be ok here on the planet earth... and when i'm ready, you will come and join all the other souls in the land of peace... thank you for listening to me Patrick and thank you for sharing this with another of my creations, a person i have put in your life, the person that is reading this.... bless, and all good wishes...xxoo, Patrick
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Postby JezUK » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:28 pm

I see "spiritual" folk disappear up there own.... around step 11 and I hear step 11 chairs which talk of there "going deeper" journey and you can see people in meetings getting lulled along and although what i'm about to say is judgmental, it isn't aimed at all enlightened folk. But I see through a veil in a number of folk. I witness this "going deeper" as a route to self analysis and is a danger in the hands of the vulenerable and non-action orientated AA's. My take on step 11 is a continutaion of the step 3 & 7 prayers in the big book, the theme being God will 1) build me etc so that I may be "witness" to others of his power and 2)remove defcts so I can essentaially be of use to god and others. Step 11 for me and I hope in the principle of our prog should be viewed in being of use to others perspective. So what am I saying here? the question i need to ask myself is - Am i trying to grab more and more sprituality for "myself" or is this so that I may be of use to others and God? I think when approached in that fashion God won't make to hard terms on my meditation, giving me everything I and another may need at that given moment. it's funny, I have had some amazing experiences meditating and I always feel god is telling me to tell others to give them hope or the encouragmemt to try..... My relationship with God is not mine to keep, self-centredness..... that we think is the route.....
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Postby Rusty Zipper » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:51 pm

nice thoughts Jez...................................




seek, and pass it on .............................. xxoo, PC :wink:
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Postby anniemac » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:03 pm

Hi Jez,

I grapple with that ~ Am i trying to grab more and more sprituality for "myself" or is this so that I may be of use to others and God?

I have a loooong history of analyzing, and yes, my spiritual journey can follow the same route and land me inside my head and therefore of no use to others. At the same time, by doing all this "inner work" that I've been doing on my AA/spiritual journey, I have become more at peace and more accepting. So, yes, I get a direct benefit from my practices...but I am in no position to help others if I am angry, judgmental and narrow-minded (among other things).

Therefore, by benefiting myself, I also benefit those around me. A sponsee told me last week that I am a calming presence in her life, that even my voice is soothing. THAT certainly never would have been said about me a few years ago. I feel that is a direct result of my conscious contact with HP and the various tools I use to attain that.

As in all areas of my life, balance is key, and can be elusive at times.
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Meditation

Postby Lee » Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:34 pm

Prayer is the raising of the heart and mind to God - and in this sense it includes meditation.
Meditation is something which can always be further developed.
It has no boundaries.

12 & 12, pg. 101, 102
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Postby Dallas » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:01 am

Thank you, Lee. That was very thoughtful and your timing was perfect for me! :wink:

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