- (better choice of words )sharing about MY depression !!!

(better choice of words )sharing about MY depression !!!




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(better choice of words )sharing about MY depression !!!

Postby ccs » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:02 pm

hey guys I have been going through some stuff here like ,no energy ,no motivation ,no desire for any thing , I do see a therapist when I feel like making an appiontment wich hasnt been much lately I went to the doctor for a check up she says sounds like I have depression and need meds!!!! I went to the thearapist to talk abuot it he said that its clinical depression

I am scared of the drugs!!! I dont want to depend on drugs to change my mood to me its too much like my past! I`ve tryed to research on depression found some intesting stuff and the fact that I have a thyriod problem plus being a "recovering alcoholic/addict" and premenapauseal
(dont know if I spelt that one right :oops: ) woman are all thing that can lead to this deprssion thing

I told the doc.I would talk about it on my next appointment,wich I havent made yet ( 5 weeks ago I was supossed to go back in 2) now these syptoms I`ve been having have been going on for such a long time I guess I have just exceppeted this way of life and chalked it up to laziness
well I `m sick of being lazy!! but I just cant seem to do anything Its all I can do just to get up to go to work and walk the dogs the one thing I do everyday is come to this site and see whats happening with you all

I guess I posted here bacause I was not expecting to here the words clinical depression :o thanks for being here
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Postby Dallas » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:47 pm

Hi CCS,

We try to go to any lengths here on the forum, to avoid expressing any of our opinions on any thing that might even appear to be related to professional or medical opinions. It's best if we totally avoid medical discussions. We're not professionals and we don't want to say anything that might mess someone up! :wink:

I know that some members on the forum do write about their clinical stuff and sometimes the Moderators will delete the messages... and, it will get posted again. :cry:

It's ALWAYS best to talk to a doctor about clinical things or medications. I always get 2nd and 3rd doctors opinions and do my own research, too. When I was newly sober I used to ask A.A.'s those questions -- and, my Sponsor and our 12 Traditions explained to me that I should ask my medical questions to doctors and not A.A. members.

I hope my answer helps.

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depression clinical or otherwise

Postby sunlight » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:43 pm

Hi Cessie!

I will tell of my own experience in these matters: depression & pre-menopause.

I am usually cheerful & upbeat, so when my life got overwhelming & I just wanted to lay in bed ,& dying seemed like a good idea, I knew something was wrong. Of course I didn't DO anything about it (didn't realize about ACTION yet) till my friends kept telling me I wasn't all right.

I called my son's psychiatrist & he put me on an anti-depressant & IT SAVED MY LIFE!

But I knew I had to make some changes in my life or the depression would not get better. I didn't make the changes right away,but I started a plan & took small steps. I was able to get off the pills after 9 mos. & the depression didn't return.

I went into menopause at 39 & the Doc said I was way too young (and beautiful! :lol: :lol: ) for that so he put me on hormones.I used to have terrible mood swings & the hormones put me on an even keel.I thought "This must be what it's like to feel normal!"

The point is - don't be afraid to do what's necessary if it will help you.

God will guide you.

I've learned not to wait till things get unmanagable & not to try to fix it myself!!

Love ya!!!
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Postby garden variety » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:26 pm

Hi Cessie,

Both Dallas and Sunlight have good things to say.

I think I can help clarify a couple things without stepping out-of-bounds.

"Clinical Depression" is a medical term, a diagnosis, that really can only be made by a "Clinical Psychologist" or "Psychiatrist". It has various pathologies and it gets even more specific in a diagnosis. Clinical Depression is diagnosed when you take a mental health assessment with a professional who is qualified to diagnose and treat psychological disorders. In any of my posts where I mention that term, it came from a genuine professional medical diagnosis based on an actual "face to face" assessment, and not an internet "screening" test.

"Depression" is pretty much a "generic" term that gets tossed around a lot. If you watch some of the TV commercials for medicine or read their magazine ads, they use the term in a "general way" which identifies certain symptoms that if you or me have them, then we should see a professional. The same thing goes for those internet "screening" tests for "depression".

From my experience, understanding the layman term "depression" and checking to see if I had the "symptoms" did exactly what it was supposed to do. Which is what Dallas said. It got me to first talk about "depression" with my primary care doctor. After a couple unsuccessful tries with treatment, my primary care doctor referred me to a psychiatrist (a specialist who is a bona fide "Medical Doctor") who gave me an assessment and a professional diagnosis. He also made up a treatment plan and wrote prescriptions.

(BIG NOTE HERE! My primary care doctor KNOWS that I'm an alcoholic, and so does my psychiatrist. My psychaitrist (my "shrink" I call him) also specializes in SUBSTANCE ABUSE. The point I'm making here is that there are NO SECRETS, and when these guys prescribe medication, they know they're dealing with an alcoholic and prescribe based on that factor.)

My old sponsor saw "symptoms" of another "disorder" I later found out that I have, and he told me to talk these things over with a "professional" - again just like Dallas suggested. I went to my psychiatrist, and he referred me to a "clinical psychologist" for a different kind of assessment for that disorder. A "Clinical Psychologist" is more than a "counselor" or "social worker". They also usually have a PhD and are qualified to make a mental health diagnosis, but they don't prescribe medicine. The Clincial Psychologist told me to talk over the results of his assessment with my psychiatrist who recognized the disorder and gave his professional diagnosis.

Mental health is no small matter. I've seen "well meaning" AA longtimers try to "help" an alcoholic with psychological problems that required professional medical intervention. They nearly destroyed the girl by flushing her medications down the toilet. What a shame. To me, that was criminal, and it taught me just what Dallas said - Keep my nose out of medicine - just stick to sobriety "by the book".

My suggestion is for you to follow Dallas' suggestion and call on a professional. Also, I STRONGLY suggest you read the "Conference Approved" pamphlet titled "The AA member - Medications & Other Drugs" Also, just like Dallas said he does, now this is especially important if you're a woman and you're dealing with hormones and menopause, a 2nd and 3rd opinion is a good and safe thing to do. I also have a professional Chiropractor who is into "natural medicine", and his opinion and suggestions are also very good.
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Postby ccs » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:26 pm

thanks for your replys,

sorry Dallas I didnt mean to set off the sirens and flashing red lights :lol: :lol:

to clarify,
I did mention that I am seeing the pro`s I wasnt asking for advice on the meds just sharing that I was afraid
I just wanted to share with you guy`s whats going on in my world right now :)

I gotta tell ya I got a really good laugh on these replies cause I thought I was reading Pauls post when I was actually reading Sunlights
and the thought of Paul going through men-opuase Gave me quite a chuckle :lol: :lol:

Luv -U-Guys thanks
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Postby garden variety » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:09 pm

OK Cessie - you really don't want to get me started on that "man-o-pause" thing. Lord have mercy! Not another "long story"!

I understand about being scared about medicine. You should have heard the gazillion conversations I had with my neurologist, his nurse, and my sponsor when I read about the "side effect" of "Euphoria" in one of the medications I now take regular. "Will this trigger the phenominon of craving?" Good golly! I went on and on and on about it. That neurology staff sure earned their pay with an obsessing nut job like me calling three times a day.

My sponsor, with 30 years of sobriety and is a certified chemical dependency counselor - he told me just chill out a minute. He said to remember that I have a medical condition that is dangerous, and continuing without doing anything is making the "quality of life" go down to where it doesn't need to be. Medicine is in this world to help me - to improve my life - to reduce my suffering. Then he said that I'm spiritually fit enough to endure and overcome the phenominon of craving if that would actually happen. And I also have a support group and a team of doctors that are probably sick of hearing about my alcoholism by now. THEY GET THE POINT PAUL!

Then that sponsor told my busy @ss to look up the chemical action of the medication. If it effects the same "brain cells" in the same "clinical" way that alcohol or "benzo's" do, then skip it - I don't have to take it and tell the neurologist why. So I did what he told me to do, and found out the medicine did the exact opposite of what alcohol and benzo's do, which made me realize then it could not possibly trigger "alcoholic craving". I told the sponsor, and he said well try it because it might be helpful. Just do it over the weekend when you're sure you won't have to be driving a car or operating equipment.

I did what he suggested. No side effects at all. I could tolerate the prescription pretty easy. Guess what? It also helped one of the many medical problems I have. It made my life better just like it's supposed to. The miracles of modern medicine.

Now friends, you have to laugh at this. You see how long and drawn out I can write about things. Now if I do that here online, do you think I'm that much different out there in "the real world"? :roll: I swear I must be the poster boy for "patience" in the world of medicine. Pity the poor doctor that ends up with me on the end of his fishing line? Buddy let me tell you what - there is plenty more than one of those poor fellows that are my doctors.
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Postby Dallas » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:12 pm

Paul wrote:My suggestion is for you to follow Dallas' suggestion and call on a professional.


Just to clarify... I didn't make a suggestion to call or not call a professional. :lol: :lol:

And, I too, thought Paul was referring to going through men-a-pause. :lol: :lol:

Just another reason that I tend to avoid such discussions. It's too easy to get confused. I wouldn't want someone to read something I posted and think I was making some kind of suggestion that I wouldn't ever make. :wink:

And, another reason that I do suggest that we do not discuss medicine here. Those discussions are more appropriately dealth with on a different site, like WebMD.com instead of here.
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Postby Jools » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:00 am

Hiya Cess,

I can SO relate to what you're going thru, heheh! I know you've read my posts about being depressed and all that good stuff about going off Effexor and my doc switching me to Cymbalta. I haven't taken Cymbalta for 6 days now and I have no headaches. :D I was still depressed on anti depressants so why bother? That's just MY experience, in no way am I suggesting that you don't take them, kk?

I want to "feel" today. If I'm depressed, I want to FEEL it, unless, of course, I'm feeling suicidal. If I'm sad, I want to FEEL it...and I certainly want the desire to have sex again cuz that's just a good feeling all in itself, :wink: and I'm all about good feelings today the natural way!

I pray you're feeling good today.

Your friend in recovery,
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Postby ccs » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:52 pm

THANK-YOU EVERYONE :!: :!:

LUV-2-ALL :wink: :wink:
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Postby lenny » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:18 pm

page 133,b.b.read it :D
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