9th Tradition

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9th Tradition

Postby mendomann » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:22 pm

A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.

If a steering committee decides to assign job responsibilities because no one will volunteer are they going against this tradition?

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Postby garden variety » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:32 pm

Hiya Mendomann,

From the way that tradition is read, it sort of goes with Tradition 8 which does allow a "service center" to hire someone. So it would seem to mean if the "steering committee" you're talking about was looking for volunteers to, lets say answer phones, at a "service center" that would be "allowed". From what I've heard and seen, "service centers" take care of AA administrative business. They have "regional" service centers and "local" service centers, and those places put out newsletters and such that write articles like in the Grapevine. They also announce conferences, and make arrangements for conferences to be held. The people who "staff" those centers can be volunteers or paid workers.

But when you get into say a "AA club", well that complicates the matters. Here in our region, the going belief with longtimers is that "AA Clubs" don't fit into the AA traditions in any way, shape, or form. So "AA CLubs" are sometimes looked at as not being AA, which is technically true. SO if you have club, then it has a board of trustees, they can pretty much carry on like not-for-profit business and hire anyone they want, or they can try to run the club with volunteers.

But the AAclub can host an AA group to hold meetings. So the meetings at the club are actually AA.

I don't know if this helps?

One thing you can also do is go to the appendix in your Big Book and check out the "Long Form" of the 8th and 9th Traditions. Those "Long Form" traiditions pretty much zero in on the purpose of the particular tradition.

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Postby ccs » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:52 pm

On Tradition Nine
“A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve."
Editorial by Bill W.
A.A. Grapevine, August 1948
"Each A.A. Group needs the least possible organization. Rotating leadership is the best. The small group may elect its secretary, the large group its rotating committee, and the groups of a large Metropolitan area their central or intergroup committee, which often employs a full-time secretary. The Trustees of The Alcoholic Foundation are, in effect, our A.A. General Service Committee. They are the custodians of our A.A. Tradition and the receivers of voluntary A.A. contributions by which we maintain our A.A. General Service Office in New York. They are authorized by the groups to handle our over-all public relations and they guarantee the integrity of our principal newspaper, "The A.A. Grapevine." All such representatives are to be guided in the spirit of service, for true leaders in A.A. are but trusted and experienced servants of the whole. They derive no real authority from their titles; they do not govern. Universal respect is the key to their usefulness."

The least possible organization, that's our universal ideal. No fees, no dues, no rules imposed on anybody, one alcoholic bringing recovery to the next; that's the substance of what we most desire, isn't it?

But how shall this simple ideal best be realized? Often a question, that.

We have, for example, the kind of A.A. who is for simplicity. Terrified of anything organized, he tells us that A.A. is getting too complicated. He thinks money only makes trouble, committees only make dissension, elections only make politics, paid workers only make professionals and that clubs only coddle slipees. Says he, let's get back to coffee and cakes by cozy firesides. If any alcoholics stray our way, let's look after them. But that's enough. Simplicity is our answer.

Quite opposed to such halcyon simplicity is the A.A. promotor. Left to himself he would "bang the cannon and twang the lyre" at every crossroad of the world. Millions for drunks, great A.A. hospitals, batteries of paid organizers and publicity experts wielding all the latest paraphernalia of sound and script; such would be our promoters dream. "Yes sir," he would bark "My two year plan calls for one million A.A. members by 1950!"

For one, I'm glad we have both conservatives and enthusiasts. They teach us much. The conservative will surely see to it that the A.A. movement never gets over organized. But the promoter will continue to remind us of our terrific obligation to the newcomer and to those hundreds of thousands of alcoholics still waiting all over the world to hear of A.A.

We shall, naturally, take the firm and safe middle course. A.A. has always violently resisted the idea of any general organization. Yet, paradoxically, we have ever stoutly insisted upon organizing certain special services; mostly those absolutely necessary to effective and plentiful 12th Step work.

If, for instance, an A.A. group elects a secretary or rotating committee, if an area forms an intergroup committee, if we set up a Foundation, a General Office or a Grapevine, then we are organized for service. The A.A. book and pamphlets, our meeting places and clubs, our dinners and regional assemblies -- these are services too. Nor can we secure good hospital connections, properly sponsor new prospects and obtain good public relations just by chance. People have to be appointed to look after these things, sometimes paid people. Special services are performed.

But by none of these special services, has our spiritual or social activity, the great current of A.A. ever been really organized or professionalized. Yet our recovery program has been enormously aided. While important, these service activities, are very small by contrast with our main effort.

As such facts and distinctions become clear, we shall easily lay aside our fears of blighting organization or hazardous wealth. As a movement, we shall remain comfortably poor; for our service expenses are trifling.

With such assurances, we shall without doubt, continue to improve and extend our vital lifelines of special service; to better carry out our A.A. message to others; to make for ourselves a finer greater society, and, God willing, to assure Alcoholics Anonymous a long life and perfect unity.

Bill W.

The A.A. Grapevine, August, 1948

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