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Postby Dallas » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:27 am

Susan68 wrote:Although I am kind of wondering if this isn't true just a little. I was told, don't even attempt to make amends until you've gone over it with a sponsor.


I understand... some amends are simple. No problem. And, there is no rule that anyone has to do anything any certain way.

For me... I like to cover my bases and come out ahead. Before sobriety I made some amends on my own. Way before I ever heard of the 12 Steps. I used an attorney for it -- but, wouldn't listen to the attorneys advice. I insisted on doing it "my way." And, it cost me severely! I was willing to pay the price -- just because my big Ego said "I'm in charge here! And, if it get's done -- it will be done my way!"

Then, another time... before sobriety... I was facing a big deal! (When I was drinking trouble used to find me rather easily!) That time -- I hired the attorney... told him how it works and how he was going to handle it! And, it worked out great for me. (Can you tell I learn from my mistakes :lol: ) Had we did things the attorney's way -- I would have been in real deep doo doo!

When I got sober... I was making my amends on my own.... Nope! Didn't need some raisin's help or advice. I was in the process of making one of the amends and I mentioned it to some guys at a men's meeting that I used to attend. The guys eyes popped out of their heads and they laughed! I didn't like that... but, I listened to what they were saying. And, I changed my mind about "how" I was going to make my amend for that situation.

I had a bunch of other amends to make, also. My first sponsor recused and resigned from my case at Step Seven. He said that I had so many serious problems facing me -- that it would be foolish of him to try and offer me suggestions on how to handle them. That's when I found those guys that I admired at the men's meeting. Nearly all of them were professionals. Lawyers. CPA's. A judge. A couple of policemen. Business owners and execs were among them. I felt as though I couldn't pick a better Board of Directors to assist me in formulating and executing my plans for Steps 8 & 9. And, destiny smiled on me when I was stuck with a problem, my sponsor fired himself, and I ended up with a bunch of pros to offer me guidance! It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

Not every alcoholic has serious amends. They may owe a little money. They may have cheated and lied to a boss or some friends or family members... And, there are others -- that could end up at the bottomless pit without help. Of course, they are free to do it their own way also. No problem here.

Susan68 wrote:In retrospect, stuff like this is probably not good for a new person trying to come terms with all of this. I went out to walk the dog and started having that nagging feeling (that I had the day I "fired" my temporary sponsor) that I'm drinking Jim Jones's Kool Aid. That I'm killing off the best of myself through adherence to a "groupthink." You know, I can sign on to anything if it's the truth. But what is the truth? The BB seems sane, but a lot of what I hear in AA (and the way some folks interpret AA) seems less than sane. I really hate this nagging uncertainty.


I understand... Again! :wink:

When I was new... my thoughts were "Hey! If this Rummy that's now a Raisin took his Steps... He's an admitted Nut Case! He's insane! Why would I listen to a crazy guy???? Well... I discovered that I had been listening to one... most of my life! :lol:

I understand about the Kool-Aid Groups, too! Sometimes, it seems that way, and sometimes it is that way. Isn't politics and media the same way? Progressives rather than Constitutionalists. Wear the right clothes, say the right things and let the others dictate our decisions and our lives and our destiny for us. Kool-Aid Groups are inside and outside AA. They're also in schools, churches and professions. So, what?

I'm not the kind of alcoholic that would let a Kool-Aid Group run my life or make my decisions for me. I'm more of the defiante individualist type. :lol: (And, most of the AA's that I know... are the same way! Sometimes, it's a liability for us. But, we seemed to have been born that way!) :wink:

For me... Life is what you make of it. The same goes for AA. AA is what you make of it. You can use it for your advancement or use it to dig deeper ground.

Opinions is what most of it all boil down to. People form their opinions and perceptions to fit their own self interest. The AA lovers and the AA haters are no different. Each of them has a dog in the race.

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Postby Susan68 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:38 am

Hmmm, Dallas, thanks for your insights on this issue. I must say, my amends do not include lying and cheating. My really tough amends are going to be me having to apologize to two people I cannot stand who did undeniable "bad" to my mother right after my father died, for my relatively miniscule contributions to the fray. But thanks. Your comments are very well-taken.
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Postby Susan68 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:40 am

Dallas wrote:Life is what you make of it. The same goes for AA. AA is what you make of it. You can use it for your advancement or use it to dig deeper ground.


This is good. I'll remember this.
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Postby Dallas » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:04 am

I've got a deal going on with my older sister... (I hate to even refer to being related to her)... that did my little sister very wrong when my little sister died recently (and, also did her very wrong before she died). She also did my nephew very wrong and did me wrong as well. It was really eating my lunch... and sometimes it still scarfs down on my sandwiches!

I was totally ticked off -- especially "if I" had to make any sort of amends to her... I felt like "that's just not possible". "What she did, and is doing... is beyond disgust!" And, I still feel anger about it. I may not ever get over being angry about it.... Even though I know the anger can and will hurt me. Honesty, with myself and with others -- is most important .

This is one of those nasty situations where the negative emotions could erupt and put my sobriety into checkmate... so, naturally, since I do trust my trustworthy sponsor so much, I went to him about it. (And, the fact that I'll find the willingess to do whatever I have to do... to keep my sobriety).

He said "Well. You can stay angry and mad and as miserable as you want to about it. It isn't going to affect me or my life -- and, I'm sure that if your sister cares... she probably hopes you stay miserable about it!" :shock: :shock: "So, just sit around feeling sorry for yourself, and all ticked off about it... Then, someday, if you reach for the phone to tell me you're drinking over it... I hope you didn't let too many cobwebs cover the phone!" :oops:

However, he did say to me "You don't owe her any amends. You didn't do anything to harm or injure her. So, forget about making amends to her, and get on with trying to improve your efficiency and find some enjoyment in your life to think about -- rather than think about what your sister has done or is doing. She's not worth your energy to think about her."

To an outsider -- that doesn't really know my sponsor -- they would probably say "How cold and rude!!!" But, for me... because I do know him... it's just truth. And, the truth will always set me free. He's the most loving guy and caring guy I've ever known. Yet, to the majority of people that do not know him... he scares them! :lol:

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Postby Dallas » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:34 am

I'd suggest -- start a new thread in the forum for your message -- so that we can all be on the same page w/ you in discussing it. Start a new topic. Sometimes, when a topic is old, and you post to it -- people have to either go through the entire topic trying to figure out "what's this about" and "how does it relate?" And, it becomes difficult if the original people that posted to the topic haven't been around in a while. Perhaps -- the reason they're not around is because: their ideas on it weren't strong enough or good enough to work for them -- for the long-haul. We never know.

Start a new topic and I'll be happy to discuss it w/ you.

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Postby Dallas » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:17 am

On the left-hand side of the post Reply button, there is a "New Topic" button. Just click the "New Topic" button -- instead of the "Reply" button. Then, give your "New Topic" a Subject. :wink:

If it would fit better in a different section, other than AA History, just go to the section where you think it best fits -- and click the New Topic button inside that section. We have a history here in the forum of getting "off the topic"
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Postby Ranman99 » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:28 am

Interesting thread. I find if we apply the premise of being of service in every single part of our lives and in every single situation it does work.

To go from self centred to GOD centred is not easy for a bloke like me.

Am I 100% on the game all the time. Crikey if I can get through one whole day I'll be amazed. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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